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PostSubject: Need reliable notary in Lombok   Sun Aug 10, 2008 3:53 am

Hello happy people living on this dreaming island !

I am ready to buy a land in East Lombok, 1 hectare that I will pay only 100 Juta. I will probably come in october to buy it.
But I need informations before coming, and my problem is that market is so crazy now in Lombok that I can not find a notary who want to "loose" time for a "so small" amount transaction - This morning again I received from lombokglobal.biz a "please find another notary".... No
I understand that 100 Juta is rather nothing here but anyway it is 7000€ and I am not rich !...

I just need to check 2 things:
- how to pay? Shall I bring cash or, better, pay the land to the notary by bank transfert?
- what are exactly the risks for me if :
- I have an Indonesian nominee for my land (I know somebody already**)
- I can not live in Lombok now (I must work in France!)
- I want to save more money during 3-4 years before building something on this land

Any informations regarding this or any good contact with an english speaking notary in Lombok?

Thank you very much and hope to see some of you in october !

PS: ** my nominee is a Sasak fisherman, like my little brother, last month we went together by motorcycle across Sumbawa, Florès and Sumba, after a trip to Bali and Lombok last year. So I think I can trust him (I hope so!)
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PostSubject: Re: Need reliable notary in Lombok   Sun Aug 10, 2008 1:13 pm

Hi Lolo, sorry I don't know a notaris I can recommend. As far as your other questions go, I know there has been several in-depth discussions about the best way to buy property in Bali on the balipod.com forum (search the archives). I woudl imagine the process is pretty much the same between Bali & Lombok. Also, see if you can get in touch with 'I am still crazy' (Greg) on the old Lombok Lovers forum (unless he has signed up here already? - Gemma?) Greg has said before he is happy to share his experience with people wanting to buy land in Lombok.
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PostSubject: Re: Need reliable notary in Lombok   Sun Aug 10, 2008 5:08 pm

hello

I know already Greg, but I didn't know he was able to give me (maybe) a notary name, I will send him an email
Thank you !
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PostSubject: Re: Need reliable notary in Lombok   Mon Aug 11, 2008 1:45 pm

HI Lolo
I was really referring to your other questions when I mentioned greg. I don't know if he can recommend a notaris
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PostSubject: Re: Need reliable notary in Lombok   Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:50 am

Hi Lolo

I can get you the details of the notaris my husband uses, however I am not sure how good the english will be.

I wont be online for another few days though.

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PostSubject: Re: Need reliable notary in Lombok   Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:55 am

Hi Lolo

Made has not been too impressed with his notaris recently, so best not to recommend, I think. Hopefully someone will come up with another one for you. What area are you looking for. Not much point recommending a Praya notaris if you are in Mataram...
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PostSubject: Lombok Notaris   Thu Aug 28, 2008 4:43 pm

Hi,

I can give you the name of a very reputable notaris in Mataram. I used him 3 years ago when I purchased land. I had documents drawn up in Indonesian as well as English (for my own peace of mind). The name is;

Eddy Hermansyah, SH
Jalan Yos Sudasarso 42 Mataram
Tel (0370) 63537

Eddy has a professional outfit that includes 2 secretaries. However, Eddy, nor his secretaries speak English. He has a brother (Eddy Jnr) who is quite fluent.

I am currently in negotiation with somebody in relation to selling my land. He's a westerner who has had a few dealings with property in Lombok. When he asked who my notary was he said he uses Eddy as well, and confirmed his reputation.

Hope this helps.

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PostSubject: Reliable notary   Mon Sep 01, 2008 3:14 pm

When we bought land on Gili Trawangan in 1999 we used Eddy Harmansya to finalise the deal. It took a long time for us to get our certificate but that was due to some missing papers on the sellers side. Anita
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PostSubject: Re: Need reliable notary in Lombok   Sat Sep 06, 2008 5:35 am

Hello

Thank you for your messages ! Sorry I did not received an email from the forum so I see only today your replies... (but now I have found how to be informed of replies in my account...)

On the old forum, I have also found Fikri Said from Mataram who is recommanded. I had a conversation with him by phone, seems to be OK... Anyway 2 or 3 adresses may be good so I can choose the best notary (or seems to be the best...).

I buy a land in South East Lombok Very Happy

Thank you again !


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PostSubject: Re: Need reliable notary in Lombok   Sat Sep 06, 2008 5:40 am

mimpikami wrote:
When we bought land on Gili Trawangan in 1999 we used Eddy Harmansya to finalise the deal. It took a long time for us to get our certificate but that was due to some missing papers on the sellers side. Anita

Very interesting for me Rolling Eyes because it is the same than you: my land does not have certificate, I must make it with the seller. Is it so difficult to get? Do you remember those missing papers? My seller is a very simple fisherman, so I am afraid he is not so aware of all these administrative matters...

thank you !
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PostSubject: Re: Need reliable notary in Lombok   Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:44 am

lolo wrote:
mimpikami wrote:
When we bought land on Gili Trawangan in 1999 we used Eddy Harmansya to finalise the deal. It took a long time for us to get our certificate but that was due to some missing papers on the sellers side. Anita

Very interesting for me Rolling Eyes because it is the same than you: my land does not have certificate, I must make it with the seller. Is it so difficult to get? Do you remember those missing papers? My seller is a very simple fisherman, so I am afraid he is not so aware of all these administrative matters...

thank you !

Lolo, if the land you are buying doesn't have a certificate, how do you know it belongs to the fisherman? It might belong in part to him and others? How do you establish his legal claim on the land and that it is his to 'sell'?
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PostSubject: Re: Need reliable notary in Lombok   Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:28 pm

Hi
I don't know exactly how it works, but I explained the problem to the notary, it seems not to be a big problem to make a certificate... The big land belongs to the family (6 brothers) and they agreed to share the land into pieces instead of selling all and share the money.
I also already explained to the fisherman that if there is any doubt or problem for making this certificate, I may not buy the land.
This is also why I want to meet 2 or 3 notaries, just to hear the same "no problem" about this matter.
In this very traditional village of East Lombok, my opinion is that they use more local customs than real administrative papers, for example the owner does not know how old he is nor has a bank account (I must help with him to go to bank to open one)... so officialize customs may not so difficult?? I just hope there is a cadastre there scratch
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PostSubject: Re: Need reliable notary in Lombok   Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:50 pm

The man we bought our land from was the rightful owner,there was no doubt about it, he used to own a lot of land on Gili Trawangan. He has now sold almost all of it, to cover for his and his families daily living expenses and for Hadj trips to Mecca.
The problem was that he had lost his certificates, due to negligence. Eddy Hermansya had to find proves of the ownership at different offices before he could issue our certificate.

It sounds fine that you are being very careful with your land deal. With 6 brothers owning the land together it could become a nightmare for you.
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PostSubject: Re: Need reliable notary in Lombok   Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:40 pm

Hello

For sure ! If I must deal with all the 6 brothers I simply don't buy the land. If the certificate issued by administration mention only one name, it is OK. Hopefully this land is small and not so good (I mean there is no beach, but nice view anyway ) so total investment is rather low.

I don't want to be undiscret, but why are you selling now? (If you don't want to reply here no problem)
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PostSubject: Re: Need reliable notary in Lombok   Fri Sep 12, 2008 4:33 pm

I strongly recommend you our loyal notary mr. Fikry

We work with him for many years for different lands, businesses and legal advise.

His wife is also notary and also lawyer.
Both himself and his wife speaks perfect English
His pricing is very competetive

Fikry SAID
Jl Airlangga Mataram
0370 632 849
0818 362 242
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PostSubject: Re: Need reliable notary in Lombok   Fri Sep 12, 2008 4:55 pm

Yes, I am already in contact with him (I found his name on the old forum) and probably work for him (at present he is the best contact I have found in Lombok)

Thanks !
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PostSubject: Re: Need reliable notary in Lombok   Sun Nov 23, 2008 7:25 pm

Just to confirm that I have made a very good deal with Fikri Said. He gave me some very good advise, I was planning to spend more money with him but he told me it was not necessary in my situation.
He does not like internet, so no email adress available, only phone rabbit
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PostSubject: Re: Need reliable notary in Lombok   Sat Nov 29, 2008 1:10 pm

Can anyone who has had any dealings with Fikry Said confirm something for me?
Someone told me that Fikri Said is in fact a woman notaris who does not speak English. The man who speaks English is not an acutal notoaris, but an employee of Fikri Said. There is also another employee, a woman who speaks English, but that is not Fikri and she is not married to anyone in that office.

I am just trying to establish who it is I would be dealing with if I used their services. Obviously a face to face would probably sort it, but as I'm not in Lombok it makes it a bit harder.

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PostSubject: Re: Need reliable notary in Lombok   Sat Nov 29, 2008 2:16 pm

Hello

Well I did not ask his identitas but the woman working with him is his wife, she is lawyer and she speack english. There is nobody else in the office except 2 or 3 secretaries. In my opinion, this is rather impossible that Fikri could be a so good actor... If this info comes from another competitor, be careful... of this competitor Suspect


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PostSubject: Re: Need reliable notary in Lombok   Sat Nov 29, 2008 2:43 pm

I hereby can confirm that Fikry is a man!

He runs the office together with his wife. His wife (like in 'married to') is also a notary and also a lawyer. Allthough she is notary she mostly functions as a lawyer.

Both of them speak very good English.

I'm on first name base with the family and we go back for many years. They are a happy family, I come home with them, know their beautiful children, and I even met their parents since short.

I joined him to meetings with other lawyer offices and government officials. During the years I have spent a reasonable time in his office, saw hundreds of his customers and saw him signing many piles of official documents.

He is very proactive for eliminating potential problems. He smells bad deals from miles away. By giving me advice on avoiding some deals he for sure lost money on me.

I worked together with them for both land and company documents, and I praise the Lord for being lucky to meet them. I do have worked with other notary offices (sometimes the land's selling partner doesn't give you the choice). However for all my deals I evolve his services, either in the front or as a legal adviser.

Except for my personal experience with him I have other reasons to work with him. He has been recommended to me by a family member of him, late Mr. Fahmy of Jakarta. People who knew Mr. Fahmy know that he was a very incredible respectful person.
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PostSubject: Re: Need reliable notary in Lombok   Sun Nov 30, 2008 6:27 am

kajje wrote:
By giving me advice on avoiding some deals he for sure lost money on me.


Sama-sama for me, he is "ndai malak", as we say in Bahasa Lombok Surprised
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PostSubject: Re: Need reliable notary in Lombok   Tue Dec 02, 2008 7:35 am

OK thanks for the clarification.
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PostSubject: Breakdown of notary fee   Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:41 am

Hi guys,

I'm new to this forum so first of all, let me introduce myself. I'm based in Kuta Lombok and I plan to open a small business there. I'm super glad to have discovered this forum as I'm sure it will be the beginning of great new relationships with other Lombok Lovers like me. I love this spirit of mutual aid so let's develop a big community full of good vibes!

After 3 months here learning about the law nad the local practices when it comes to buy land, I start to know a few things so if I can do anything to help any one of you, let me know and I'll be glad to help.

Now back to why I wanted to write this posts : it would be very nice if you guys could post the breakdown of the different fees you had to pay for each service provided by your notary. Just a quick scan will do. It will greatly help future buyers to negotiate a fair price with their own notary. So help others not getting ripped off, it will take you about 5 minutes and will be good for your Karma! Remember, what goes around comes around....

Cheers!

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PostSubject: Re: Need reliable notary in Lombok   Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:15 pm

HI Leeloo,

Welcome to Lombok Lovers. While I appreciate the spirit of where you are coming from, i.e. sharing information amongst expats, I really don't think it is appropriate for people to post information about notaris fees on a public forum. Legal matters are usually of a personal nature that depend on the individual's circumstances. Best to speak about this sort of thing directly to people with similar experience, otherwise it is open to misunderstanding. Anything otyher than that would be so general as to be of little value.

In general, I have found it really isn't done to give away prices paid to local businesses in Lombok. It can be a very quick way to piss off the locals and as a result make life harder for yourself. Just my experience.

Anyway that is my view and in protection of my own karma I will not be going into those sorts of details in a public arena.

what sort of business are you opening in Kuta?

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PostSubject: Re: Need reliable notary in Lombok   Mon Mar 22, 2010 4:37 pm

I have no idea what fees we paid - too many years ago now so even if I could remember it would be out of date anyway
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